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Repost- Road Warriors Shoot Interview
Posted by Brandon Truitt on Oct 20, 2003, 08:00
This shoot was originally posted on September 16, 2002
This week's shoot was supposed to be with Hacksaw Jim Duggan, but Hawk's death this weekend makes this a more appropriate, albeit haunting in some cases, shoot to post this week. I'm just hoping that the autopsy doesn't reveal that Hawk died of an enlarged heart caused by steroid use, as some of their comments on the subject of steroids and HGH were already controversial to begin with.
Also, the summary has been proven wrong over time, as the Road Warriors had a cup of coffee in the WWE this year, just long enough to be jobbed out to Kane and Rob Van Dam on RAW one night.
Here it is... the Road Warriors shoot interview. It only ended up being a week late thanks to my new laptop computer, which came in on Friday.
Next week's interview will be with The Enforcer himself, Arn Anderson, unless something comes up like someone else I have a shoot with makes headlines at major wrestling websites, like Vader taking on 12 cops again. The next ones planned after Arn are Barry Windham, Bobby Eaton of the Midnight Express, and Ricky Morton of the Rock And Roll Express.
For those with some specific shoot interviews in mind that they want to see reviewed, my e-mail address is [email protected]. While I have an extensive set of shoots, I'm missing several with people of current interest. If anyone has the Eddy Guerrero, Dustin Rhodes, Brian Christopher, or Road Dogg shoots, they're the ones that I feel the readers will appreciate most and I would appreciate being e-mailed about them.
I'm also looking for the interviews with the Sheepherders / Bushwackers, Midnight Express, Jimmy Hart, and Stan Hansen. Hansen's in particular would be interesting just for the story about how he left the AWA for All Japan and took the AWA world title with him in the mid-80's.
Road Warriors Shoot Interview (RF Video)
The tape opens with a clip of the Road Warriors(Animal and Hawk) against Tully Blanchard and Arn Anderson in the NWA, then one of them against Jay Youngblood and his unidentified partner who is laid out on the ground (probably Ricky Steamboat). The LOD (Legion of Doom) hold down Youngblood while Paul Ellering paints him. Then there’s a REALLY bad Warriors promo with Ellering from Japan. We’re talking Ed Wood quality here.
The interview starts with the standard question of how they got started in the business. They were part of a crew of bouncers from Gramma B’s in Minneapolis who were approached by Eddie Sharkey about getting brought into the business. Sharkey had trained Bob Backlund and Jesse Ventura before them. Jesse Ventura had told them all they’d never make it in the business.
They all had been AWA wrestling fans growing up in Minnesota and, after seeing guys like Jim Brunzell and Greg Gagne, figured they could beat the crap out of them and do well.
They all got worked by Sharkey, because he was supposed to be working in the ring with them, but always came up with an excuse after watching them attempt to wrestle each other. (They were doing rookie mistakes like mistiming shots, which ended up with at least one guy’s nose being broken. Since Sharkey was only about 5’6” and 170 pounds compared to these 6’4” bouncers, he was smart to stay out of the ring.)
Some of the other guys who were trained along side them were Scott Norton, Nord the Barbarian, Wayne Bloom and Mike Enos (The Beverly Brothers, Destruction Crew), current internet writer Tom Zenk, Barry Darsow (Demolition Smash, Repo Man, Kruscher Kruschev), and Rick Rude.
The Beverly Brothers had been forgotten and with good reason until this damn hubbub about the Chuck Palumbo and Billy Gunn wedding this past week. Now GLAAD is bringing up forgotten gimmicks to talk about portrayal of homosexuals in the WWF's past, with the Beverly Brothers being mentioned most prominently along with Adorable Adrian Adonis. While I'm not sure that the Beverly Brothers were meant to be gay, their gimmick sure DID suck.
They started out in Georgia Championship Wrestling with a big push in mid-1983. When asked if they were resented for their push, they talk about how Buzz Sawyer was the only guy who had a problem with them but that he was an asshole to everybody. “Buzz isn’t an asshole anymore… he’s dead.”
According to them, the territory was on its ass and then they were brought in, given the belts, and paired with Paul Ellering. Paul taught them how they needed to act in the ring and “was the best thing to ever happen to us.” When Ole Anderson (Georgia’s booker and co-owner) put them on national television, he told them “Just go out and kick the shit out of these guys” because they didn’t know how to work, and that if their opponents had a problem with it then they could go elsewhere. The Warriors apologized to the guys after the match for beating the shit out of them. Since they were allowed to do that and that guys would be stiff in response, they thought that was how the business worked until Stan Hansen taught them how to work properly. They loved Japan because of the stiffness in the matches. They also conveniently leave out the story about Larry "The Axe" Hennig (Curt "Mr. Perfect" Hennig's father) and another wrestler (Crusher Blackwell, I believe) roughing them up in the AWA because they weren't selling for their opponents.
They claim they’re the last of the old-schoolers because they were taught by guys like Dick Murdoch as they went along instead of being trained by the WWF or WCW, and that the guys trained by the promotions never ask for help. The old-school mindset was that if someone new got over, they’d all draw money, as opposed to the current mindset of “I’m keeping my spot no matter what.” They talk about the clique mindset in both WCW and the WWF and how the WWF has a better atmosphere than WCW IF you get along with Vince McMahon.
Hawk: “Personally, he (Vince McMahon) is the most evil man I’ve met in my 42 years. He is sheer, pure evil. I hope that I outlive him so that I can drink a bunch of Schlitz malt liquor, fly up to Connecticut, and do some horrendous things.”
They talk about how they’re perceived as old while most guys don’t tend to get breaks in the business until they’re about 35 or so. Most of the young guys are arrogant assholes. “You have to be a definite kiss-ass to be in the WWF these days. We got paid the last year of our contracts, only doing one match in Japan, because we were such a thorn in Vince’s side because we speak the truth.” Vince supposedly pulled them aside several times to say that they should tone down what they say in the locker room because people listen to them. Hawk’s response was “then buy them earplugs.”
They talked about how they used to be very nice to promoters and the guys they worked with until 1992, when they changed because Vince was screwing with them in their first run in the WWF. They put over certain promoters such as Don Owen (Oregon), Jim Crockett (Mid-Atlantic), Paul Boesch (Houston), etc. They didn’t like Bill Watts and called him Bill Farts because “he ain’t worth a fart in our book.” They changed in 1992 because Vince kept screwing with them during their first run in the WWF. They said that Crockett’s downfall was that he would only deal with his top money guys.
Hawk makes a prediction that WCW will stay on the family route and that the WWF will stick with the attitude stuff, and that WCW will win because of Ted Turner’s money. Good guess, but wrong in hindsight. They talk about how wrestling was always supposed to be for the kids, how Vince is full of shit for claiming that kids don’t watch, and that kids are trying the moves are paralyzing each other. I guess they would have been good witnesses for the Lionel Tate trial or for PTC commentaries.
They’re some of the few wrestlers to own their own names because they trademarked them before they came to the WWF. Most of the other guys who are like that are only independent wrestlers. They claim that since Vince had to lease the rights from them, he wasn't happy about it and, in turn, didn't push them as hard as he could have because he wouldn't have made as much as if he owned the names.
Jake Roberts- It was a lot of fun because they formed the Legion of Doom around that time, based on the whole Justice League concept of having a group of superheroes like Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. all on one team. Each lived with Jake at one time and they talk about how that was "an experience". The original LOD roster was Hawk, Animal, Paul Ellering, Jake Roberts, and The Spoiler (Don Jardine). They started to use the Legion of Doom name as their tag name because Vince wanted to use something different than Road Warriors and that he didn't realize they also owned the LOD name too. Supposedly, Vince thought that Road Warrior and Ultimate Warrior were too similar and they think that many people underestimate fans' intelligence.
They refer to wrestlers as "human cartoons". They go on to talk about how they visit kids at hospitals and how Vince's product isn't condusive to doing that.
Ole Anderson as a booker- He was a stand up guy and was very forward. "If he didn't have everyone stabbing him in the back, that would have been the top company." (These two are probably the first people to actually speak highly of Ole in a shoot. Most people hate him for one reason or another.)
They claim to be the first wrestlers to work for both the AWA and the NWA at the same time. Verne Gagne didn't understand why they came out of the heel locker room yet were getting big pops while the Fabulous Ones were getting booed despite being faces. They claim that it was the time of the villains like Freddy Krueger getting popular, so they just started siding with the villain wrestlers too.
This doesn't really surprise me as Verne had trouble adapting to modern wresting as well as certain parts of the modern world, which is why he's out of business.
According to ring announcer Gary Cappetta's book, Verne never watched his wrestling show because he didn't have cable at his home in a remote area of Minnesota. When Cappetta asked why Verne didn't watch tapes of it at the office instead, he admitted he'd never realized he could do that.
They take a time out to tell Vince, if he's watching, how much they appreciate them sitting at home for the last year of their contracts with the WWF. "I was on the beach every day!" "I talk to God on a regular basis and, you know what? You're going to Hell!"
They make jokes about the Fabulous Ones next (Steve "Skinner" Kiern and Stan Lane, who was later in the Midnight Express and the Heavenly Bodies). Supposedly the Fabs wanted to do a "switcheroo" ending, and LOD refused to do it because Kiern and Lane don't look much alike. Because of that, they got really sitff with them in the ring, clobbered them, then hit them a lot with a chair. They make a BUNCH of "Don't touch the hair!" jokes about Lane.
They then talk about working more for Crockett, as well as the generally forgotten story about how Ole Anderson's partners (including current McMahon crony Gerald Brisco and his brother Jack Brisco) sold Georgia out from under him to Vince. Scott Norton was brought in as Ole's bodyguard for a week because Ole figured Vince would try to strongarm him. Vince had attempted to sign them around that time, but they refused.
AWA Superclash against the Freebirds- It took place after a White Sox game at Cominsky Park and claim that more people came to see the matches than the game.
Japan- They worked with Stan Hansen a few times but they weren't there on a full-time basis, and Stan had jumped to All Japan while they were in the US so they didn't get to face him again. They wished they could have had a match against Bruiser Brody and Stan Hansen, but it never came about between Hansen jumping to AJ and Brody's death in the late 80's. They also speak highly about Tenryu, Choshu, Yasu(?), Kobayashi, etc. RF tells them that Jumbo Tsuruta just died in surgery and they're shocked over it, even though Jumbo had cancer and hepatitis. They also talk about going over for the dedication after Giant Baba's death as well as matches they've had with Dory Funk Jr. and Terry Funk.
Dusty Rhodes- "Dusty took care of us. He didn't protect us, but he took care of us." They claim he should be running WCW and that his booking always works out, but I'm not sure they weren't thinking clearly about THAT comment.
Wrestling the Russian contingent in the NWA turned them fully babyface instead of being cheered by half the crowd and booed by the other half. They said it didn't matter whether they were faces or heels because they wrestled the same for the most part. The big exception was when they were wrestling against the New Age Outlaws in late 1997 / early 1998 because "Billy Gunn and Brian Armstrong (Road Dogg) weren't experienced enough and they played faces when they were supposed to be heels."
The Hellraisers- Animal was hurt at one point, so Hawk worked in Japan with Kensuke Sasaki. They tried to bill them as the New Road Warriors, but Hawk shot that down because he and Animal are the only two Road Warriors.
They talk big about how you can work forever in Japan if your gimmick is over and that you can do most of your stuff in the ring. They trash the American "younger is better" mindset.
Demolition- They were flattered that Vince was trying to imitate them but it took more than face paint to do it. "They were two wrestlers they tried to make fighters."
Sting- They liked him, so they took him under their wing. They knew him from the days when he was a Blade Runner along with Ultimate Warrior.
Midnight Express- Bobby Eaton and Dennis Condrey knew how to make them stars. The scaffold matches weren't fun. The Powers of Pain were supposed to do a series of scaffold matches against them and asked their advice about it and they suggested they leave, which they did. They laugh about how Jim Cornette screwed up his knees in the big scaffold match at Starrcade 86 because Big Bubba Rogers (Big Bossman) was supposed to catch him as he fell, but he missed him and Jim got hurt as a result.
Why did it take so long to get the NWA belts- Dusty told them they didn't need the belts to draw money, so they didn't get them until 1988.
More about Vince- They'd suggested to Vince that they be brought in for a one-shot as a part of the standard Hulk Hogan feud, but were blown off. The plan was for someone like Bossman and two cronies to be whaling on Hogan, then have Hogan challenge them to a 6-man tag match and bring them out as his partners.
Today vs. the Eighties- There wasn't really pressure on them to use steroids because they were already big. The business hasn't really changed, even after Vince got busted for steroids in the mid-90's. Steroids were legal then as long as they were prescribed. They claim the big misconception about steroids is that you don't have to work out while you're on them. Supposedly if you take them then just sit on the couch, you'll just blow up like a balloon. You still need to work out and eat properly. They make a very controversial claim that time has proven them right and that steroids aren't killing people, they're dying from other things. They don't seem to realize that steroids contribute to certain causes of death, as in the case of Davey Boy Smith. They also claim that Human Growth Hormone is a wonder drug with no side effects, even though Big John Studd's death from Hodgkin's Disease has been linked to HGH use.
They talk about how the current guys will have short careers because of all the high flying stuff.
Wargames I at Great American Bash 87- When Hawk came in, he knocked Lex Luger out, then beat on Ric Flair and Tully Blanchard. It wasn't intentional, it was nerves after sitting around watching 30 minutes of the match.
Turning heel in 1988- It was stupid because they were getting heavily over as faces. "Sting and Lugar at that time weren't big enough babyfaces to change us. The only guy who could have turned us was Hogan" They even got cheered for turning on Dusty Rhodes, with the crowd screaming "Kill the whale!", among other things. (This was the famous five-star Dusty bladejob during the dinner hour on TBS that kept WCW from getting a timeslot on a network like Fox).
Tully and Arn leaving- It was a shock in the locker room when they left for the WWF. RF tells them that Tully was pissed he was making less than Paul Ellering and LOD responds with "They broke the confidentiality agreement to begin with by telling Tully how much they made." Tully and Arn were great, the best heel team they worked with, even better than the Midnight Express. (They put over Bobby Eaton as a wrestler, though.) They said that Tully and Arn should have just gotten more money from Crockett.
Reactions to Crockett selling out to Turner- They weren't concerned because they had other places to go. When George Scott came in to book after leaving the WWF, they decided that they were on their way out. Hawk correctly predicts that Vince will start losing money soon once the XFL bombs.
Memories of the Steiner Brothers- They had a lot of fun with them, in the ring and out of it, as they were the top two American teams in Japan.
Problems doing jobs? No, because that's just business. If a job is done right, that's fine. If they were going to get humiliated, they were looking for the door.
They start trashing Kevin Nash and Scott Hall over Nash's booking reign in WCW ("worst booking reign in WCW history") and talk about how Vince will take them back and trash them. (This didn't come to pass, however. Nash was in line for a big push until he tore his quad in a record 15 seconds in a tag match, and Hall was supposed to be getting a big push before his drinking problem and friction with Steve Austin killed it.)
Why did they finally sign with Vince in 1990? Money. Vince called them up to bring them in. They only worked about 120 days a year in their first run, but their pay kept coming up about $100,000 short each year.
Atmosphere in the WWF vs. WCW - Outside of Vince and his family, it's great in the WWF. WCW sucks because of all the cliques in the locker room. They wonder how WCW can run a business where Nash and other top guys only work as many dates as they feel like and guys like Hall go to rehab 5 times in a year. They talk highly about Bret Hart but wonder how they can pay him, Randy Savage, and others over $5 million a year total and not put them on TV.
Hogan- He treated them great. Hawk met his wife through Hogan. Hogan's a hard guy to get close to because he's always got everyone tugging on him from all sides.
The program with Demolition- It was done too early because they hadn't built up the feud to the point that everyone wanted to see it. They think it was done that way so that Vince could get rid of Demolition. They were told that they'd be heels because the Hart Foundation, the current champions, were very over as faces. Things didn't work out that way because LOD were more over as faces than any team they were put against.
Animal takes time to address comments made about him refusing to do jobs. They claim it has to do with them going years before being asked to do jobs. They have no problems with it if it's done right. Vince fed them a load of shit over their program with the Outlaws, as they'd balked at jobbing the belts to them because Billy and Road Dogg had been jobbed out to everyone in the WWF and weren't very over. Vince told them that, in exchange for building them up, there'd be an eventual rematch where the Outlaws flew all over the ring for them, but they never faced them again after losing the belts.
Matches with the Nasty Boys- Horrible memories. Good guys, they move well for 300+ guys, but not fun matches.
Rocco the puppet- It was Vince's attempt to "make us look like assholes." Ellering had offered to take ventriloquism lessons and so forth to make the gimmick work, but Vince wouldn't hear of it.
Animal's injury- He got injured in San Francisco in about 1992, then went on a Japan tour and got injured in a match with the Dudley Brothers (NOT the Dudley Boyz). He took a double suplex wrong and got hurt bad.
Hawk spent a few years in Japan until Animal came back in about 1996.
Working for ECW- He liked it because Paul Heyman was great.
Eric Bischoff- He let them believe one thing then tried to screw them out of it after they signed a letter of intent.
Tension between them? No, they've been practically married for 18 years. There have been occasional spats, but nothing serious. Most problems come from outside interference.
Their fight with Randy Savage in Japan- An unnamed female friend of theirs, who Savage had the hots for, was called something very disrespectful and Hawk bitchslapped him to the ground. Hawk claims to have been in the weakest condition of his career at the time due to liver problems. Three months before the interview, the LOD and Hawk's wife had gone to a Kid Rock concert and had run into Savage and Gorgeous George backstage. Savage suckerpunched Hawk, but he didn't go down. George had given an openhand slap to Hawk's wife, which has given her tinnitus in her ear. Around that point, the cops broke everything up.
They claim that Randy's miserable anyway, but that the lawsuit stemming from the situation is concerning the permanent damage to Hawk's wife. They laugh about how Gorgeous George bailed out on Savage, taking most of what was in his house and one of his cars, and is now doing porno films.
Three-way matches with Steiners and Lugar and Sting- They left for the WWF because Sonny Onoo started messing with one of LOD's pet projects, a cartoon made by a company Animal works for. Ono was calling up the company trying to convince them to dump LOD in favor of Hogan, without Hogan's knowledge his name was being thrown around. In addition, Bischoff was fucking with their contracts, trying to make them either per appearance deals, a 100 show deal, or so forth.
Promises that Vince made them in 96- That he'd take care of them, that they'd get the belts, and so forth. They weren't happy that their promised title win at IYH: Revenge of the Taker over Davey Boy Smith and Owen Hart didn't happen (This is Bret Hart's fault, and it was solely due to the Hart Foundation angle which worked well because it made the tag titles a focus of the show by the time that Shawn Michaels and Steve Austin won them). They also weren't happy that they got slopped by the Godwins, etc. because Vince's intentions the whole time was to get the young talent over at their expense. "I love the Armstrong family, but Brian Armstrong (Road Dogg) is FAR from an athlete. Name me another sport he could do."
Working with Shawn Michaels and Triple H- They were easy to work with in the ring, but Shawn was an asshole backstage. "I've never seen ANYONE, even Stone Cold, have Vince that much in the palm of their hand as Shawn Michaels. I don't know if it's a sexual deal because I've heard it about both of them, but Shawn got away with more crap than anyone I've ever seen. When they got into the hair fight between him and Bret, Bret would have killed him if Pat Patterson and company didn't break it up. That was the beginning of the end for Bret Hart and it tells me something that after 17 years with the company and not taking time off for phony knee injuries like Shawn Michaels, there's something going on here. I used to call it a ball-and-cock contract."
Being paired with Sunny- It was stupid because they spend thousands of dollars on new ring gear on the LOD 2000 stuff, but Vince didn't do it the right way. Sunny didn't like being #2 and having the tag team being #1, but Luna Vachon beating the shit out of her helped correct that a bit.
The "Drunk Hawk / Drug Dealin' Droz" angle- That was Vince's idea to screw around with them on the cartoon they were doing, as WCW had done before. It was a children's health cartoon similar to Osmosis Jones. He was being forced to do the angle, so he just decided to have fun with it. Vince, as usual, didn't go through with it properly. "Of the five years I was under WWF contract, that was the most fun because they were actually doing something with us." The crowds started buying it when he started doing drunken interviews and tripping over the ropes. The plan that wasn't used invovled Hawk going through rehab and explaining the reasons why he got himself into that situation. They figured that an indestructable guy self destructing then coming back after all of it would have been HUGE. They also wanted to have Droz be kissing Animal's ass all the while feeding Hawk the drugs that sent him over the edge after he already admitted he had a problem.
They'd much rather work for Bischoff again that Vince McMahon because he's the lesser of two evils.
Steve Austin- He's a loner. Not a dumb guy. "I'll give him SO much more credit than a guy like Ultimate Warrior who couldn't wrestle or do an interview." If he didn't hurt his neck, he could have been so much better.
Canadian Stampede 10-man tag match- They loved being heels because they hadn't done it in years, and they didn't like Canada much anyway because of the money.
Montreal- They think it was one of the worst things happening in the business as far as trust goes, although the Nailz incident in 1992 was one of the best things for the business.
(Kevin "Nailz" Kelly, aka Kevin Walchoz, tried holding Vince up for more money after his Summerslam 92 match against the Bossman at Wembley Stadium. After Vince said no, he kicked the crap out of Vince, was fired, alleged Vince sexually harassed him, and testified at the 1994 steroid trial.)
They then start talking about how, in a business with no union, you can only go on the trust you have for the referee, the promoter, and your opponent. They say Shawn was DEFINATELY in on it (which he's now admitted), and they hope that Owen Hart's family gets about $350 million for the dumbass stunt that cost him his life. They say that the kind of specialized equipment that Owen was using needed to have specialized personnel to check it. Since the buck stops with Vince on everything, it's Vince's fault that Owen died. They say Vince said he'd investigate the incident, but nothing has come out about it. "I consider him a murdered. I consider him a crippler over the Droz situation." They talk about how DLo Brown was green and Droz was greener, so they shouldn't have been allowed to go out and try new maneuvers like the DLo's running powerbomb.
Animal claims that he told Owen that he needed to be VERY careful about doing certain stuff like the incident he died while attempting. They talk about how Vince redid everything on the Hart property as well as catering the whole week and paying for the funeral. They also talk about how the funeral procession for Owen rivaled JFK's funeral in 1963. There were limos, WWF busses, etc. lined up as far as the eye could see. They also talk about how Owen was getting ready to retire and teach for a living and that they're behind Martha Hart in her efforts against Vince and hope they'll be called to testify (They didn't, since Martha settled the case out of court). They question the wisdom of using new equipment like that live on PPV instead of testing it out first with a weight equal to what will be in it at showtime.
What do they think about the Internet's effect on wrestling and how open the business is now? The Internet is great as it's brought people more into the business and sometimes the behind-the-scenes stuff is more interesting than the on-screen stuff. They talk about how few people respect the old wrestlers anymore. They say that they respected older guys like Dick Murdoch and Ronnie Garvin, and how people today badmouth guys like Ric Flair (I think this is a backhanded slap at Shane Douglas and others who are very anti-Flair). They also bitch about the OLD chants because guys like Lugar, Sting, Hogan, and others are older than them, as well as the fact that age should be seen as "This guy is really experienced... how will you stand a chance?"
Tag team wrestling- It's on the decline because Vince McMahon would rather pay one guy well than two members of a tag team well. They don't know what's wrong with WCW's tag division though. They think if someone wants to make the division a success, they'll work hard to make it a success.
Other guys they credit their success to- Paul Ellering, Bruiser Brody, Stan Hansen, the Four Horsemen (especially Arn and Tully), Manny Fernandez and Rick Rude (who they claim singlehandedly made Ultimate Warrior's career), as well as all the unsung heroes of wrestling... the job guys who've put them over for nearly 20 years. This is unusual, as most people tend to forget them unless they were one of them for a significant amount of time (See Snow, Al and the JOB Squad). Animal also thanks his wife for putting up with a lot over the years, including dumbass fans who call them up at home.
They're hoping they can sign a multi-year deal with WCW or in Japan that sees them retire permanently at the end of the run. They say they don't want to be Dusty Rhodes, Verne Gagne, or Mick Foley who came back after they should have retired.
They're writing a book about the business and a lot of people won't write it... but, if they won't like it, chances are that LOD doesn't like them to begin with, so they don't care.
They thank the fans for their support over the past 18 years.
Hawk says he wants to be a shock jock so that he can rip apart people like Vince McMahon verbally on a daily basis.
They claim to have been on 6 of the top 10 cash gates of all time, which I think is a little fishy considering how a LOT of the publically available numbers tend to be fudged.
They end the interview with Hawk screaming "YEAAHHHHHH.... What a rush!"
The Road Warriors are brutally honest about most subjects and pretty damn entertaining while they do it. There are some subjects where they either have their facts wrong or are exaggerating, but not as often as in the interviews with Jake Roberts, Dusty Rhodes, or Shawn Michaels. Their comments about Vince McMahon and Shawn Michaels alone are enough to make this a Highly Recommended shoot interview.